It is nice to meet new family but I am not sure about very large group meetings. However to celebrate my aunt's 99th birthday we invited Gwen (nee Whapshare) and her two sisters to our home together with new family members that we had not previously met.
We are now in touch with family of all brothers and sister of my grandfather Edwin Whapshare with the exception of George and I don't think he had children. (I may be wrong). Edwin's father Charles George had a brother James who married Kate Wingrove and we were delighted to meet his g granddaughter. Kate of course then married Harry Box and introduced his daughter to Charles George's son.
The mother of Charles George was Sarah Ann Young who later married Thomas Barrett and had a son. It was also a great pleasure to meet her g grandchildren.
Friday, 25 July 2008
Saturday, 29 March 2008
Family in India
In February 2008 I went back to Ooty with my wife and two ladies who are Wapshare family and who met up with me through family research.
We set out from Mysore and drove to the foot of the Nilgiris where we were met in Gudalore by Richard who is the manager of the Compton estate which was the home of Bea Wapshare until she died.
We went to the graveyard at the Helen estate where the graves of Henry Wapshare and his son James are in very good condition. Nearby at the Burnside estate the grave of Edward Wapshare has been recently painted. Richard explained how he had crept out of the estate with Bea one night to fetch the police when the staff were rioting after the death of Edward.
Then we rejoined the road to Naduvattam and stopped to admire the magnificent view at Chinese Hills which has recently changed hands. Richard said that he had buried Bob on the site but we were unable to gain access to see whether the grave was marked.
Then we drove on to Compton where the staff are still in place and the gardens are beautifully kept up. Bea is buried in a well kept grave next to Queenie and we had tea on the lawn.
After spending the night at the Savoy in Ooty, we found the graves of Nellie Hunt and her daughter Dorothy at St Thomas' church and at St Stephens was photographed the plaque to William Henry and found his grave behind the church. Sadly the next grave had collapsed onto William's and we hope that Richard will clear it away.
We left by train to enjoy the scenery.
We set out from Mysore and drove to the foot of the Nilgiris where we were met in Gudalore by Richard who is the manager of the Compton estate which was the home of Bea Wapshare until she died.
We went to the graveyard at the Helen estate where the graves of Henry Wapshare and his son James are in very good condition. Nearby at the Burnside estate the grave of Edward Wapshare has been recently painted. Richard explained how he had crept out of the estate with Bea one night to fetch the police when the staff were rioting after the death of Edward.
Then we rejoined the road to Naduvattam and stopped to admire the magnificent view at Chinese Hills which has recently changed hands. Richard said that he had buried Bob on the site but we were unable to gain access to see whether the grave was marked.
Then we drove on to Compton where the staff are still in place and the gardens are beautifully kept up. Bea is buried in a well kept grave next to Queenie and we had tea on the lawn.
After spending the night at the Savoy in Ooty, we found the graves of Nellie Hunt and her daughter Dorothy at St Thomas' church and at St Stephens was photographed the plaque to William Henry and found his grave behind the church. Sadly the next grave had collapsed onto William's and we hope that Richard will clear it away.
We left by train to enjoy the scenery.
Saturday, 24 November 2007
Odd facts about children of baker Charles George
Charles George Whapshare married Mary Ann (Polly) Barrett at Alderbury in 1873. This in itself was a little strange as Charles' mother Sarah Whapshare had married Mary's father Thomas Barrett. So Charles and Mary were step brother and sister, both were about 22 when married and Charles father had died before he was 11. They probably knew each other very well.
One of their children was Herbert who married Martha Mary Kate Box, a very formidable lady who die in 1969. However this again is a complex tale as Martha's mother Kate had married William Box for whom she had been housekeeper and they had been blessed with Martha. However Kate (nee Wingrove) had been married to James Whapshare who was the brother of Charles George and as the family were still in touch she introduced her daughter to one of Charles George's sons, Herbert. They were married in 1918.
Herbert and the youngest brother George ran the bakery with their De Dion Bouton.
Another brother Alfred had married Ethel Penrose in Cornwall when he was 21 and they had several children. The stange part is that none of his nieces now living have any knowledge of this and I wonder who did know. The marriage went very wrong and he seems to have left Ethel and gone to fight in ww1. When he returned to Salisbury he met Marjory Horsey, they married in 1924 and settled down in the New Forrest taking on the Three Lions pub in Stuckton.
The two eldest brothers, Charles and Edwin both sold insurance until Edwin became a carpenter in ww1. The only sister Amy died in 1956 when she was 73, she married Bert Lanham.
Sunday, 18 November 2007
Wapshare tree on the net.
The tree has been rather of a struggle for me following the loss of my computer in September.
Now I am up and running with a new machine and new programs which have presented their own challenges. I also have a plan which involves a website and a pgv hosting site which I hope that I can run together. The website will be largely narrative but will link to the pgv site at
http://wapshare.pgvhosting.com
I have loaded the linked Martin Vincent material and now I hope to improve the information as time goes by. The website at www.wapshare.co.uk seems to be stuck on the index but for now click on index and it comes up. The photographs have gone but I can replace them in time.
The pgv site is not so easy to get around and I am still trying to figure it out. I hope to put in markers for geographical distributions to make it simpler to track your root.
In the meantime I am learning a little about General Sir Richard Wapshare who has been described as being a 'nice old boy but not very decisive'
Now I am up and running with a new machine and new programs which have presented their own challenges. I also have a plan which involves a website and a pgv hosting site which I hope that I can run together. The website will be largely narrative but will link to the pgv site at
http://wapshare.pgvhosting.com
I have loaded the linked Martin Vincent material and now I hope to improve the information as time goes by. The website at www.wapshare.co.uk seems to be stuck on the index but for now click on index and it comes up. The photographs have gone but I can replace them in time.
The pgv site is not so easy to get around and I am still trying to figure it out. I hope to put in markers for geographical distributions to make it simpler to track your root.
In the meantime I am learning a little about General Sir Richard Wapshare who has been described as being a 'nice old boy but not very decisive'
Thursday, 1 November 2007
KAE LEWIS
Several weeks ago I suffered a complete computer failure although I managed to save most of my files. This occurred at what was a busy time for me with our granddaughter being born in Winchester. Ellie May is our first grandchild this side of the ocean.
Now I am set up again with a new computer and new software which works most of the time and I hope to be able to make some progress over the long winter months.
During all of this I was contacted through the blog by Kae Lewis who is an historian from Tennesee. Kae has been creating an article on St Stephens Church in Ooty and the families of those buried there.
William Henry Wapshare is buried behind the church and in the porch is a magnificent plaque to his good works. On the other side of the porch is an Octerlony who may be father of Mary who married William's son Henry (or her uncle). Octerlony is an unusual name and Kae's research suggests that they (and their 18,000 acres) may have come down from Sir David Octerlony from Boston MA who defeated the Gurkha Kings. Other possibilities have been put forward.
Kae's website can be found at www.kaelewis.com
Now I am set up again with a new computer and new software which works most of the time and I hope to be able to make some progress over the long winter months.
During all of this I was contacted through the blog by Kae Lewis who is an historian from Tennesee. Kae has been creating an article on St Stephens Church in Ooty and the families of those buried there.
William Henry Wapshare is buried behind the church and in the porch is a magnificent plaque to his good works. On the other side of the porch is an Octerlony who may be father of Mary who married William's son Henry (or her uncle). Octerlony is an unusual name and Kae's research suggests that they (and their 18,000 acres) may have come down from Sir David Octerlony from Boston MA who defeated the Gurkha Kings. Other possibilities have been put forward.
Kae's website can be found at www.kaelewis.com
Thursday, 16 August 2007
Education of William Henry and Henry Charles
William Henry went to Addiscombe College, Croydon, in 1832 ref no 675. His uncle Charles had provided the bond money.
Built 1848Addiscombe College (or Seminary, as it was originally known) was founded in 1809 by the Honourable East India Company to train officers, especially Engineers and Artillery, for their Indian regiments
In 1851 Henry was 12 and at school at Christ's Church, London.
After the dissolution of the monasteries by Henry VIII, lots of children were left on the streets. Christ's Hospital opened in Newgate in 1552 for the education of poor children. Much was destroyed by the fire of 1666 but was rebuilt with the help of Sir Christopher Wren. In became the Royal Mathematical School in 1673 and Samuel Pepys became vice president as well as being Secretary to the Navy. There was a great need to train ships navigators.
Girls were all relocated to Hertford by 1778 and the last boys went to Horsham Sussex in 1902 where the Blue Coat School is located.
Built 1848Addiscombe College (or Seminary, as it was originally known) was founded in 1809 by the Honourable East India Company to train officers, especially Engineers and Artillery, for their Indian regiments
In 1851 Henry was 12 and at school at Christ's Church, London.
After the dissolution of the monasteries by Henry VIII, lots of children were left on the streets. Christ's Hospital opened in Newgate in 1552 for the education of poor children. Much was destroyed by the fire of 1666 but was rebuilt with the help of Sir Christopher Wren. In became the Royal Mathematical School in 1673 and Samuel Pepys became vice president as well as being Secretary to the Navy. There was a great need to train ships navigators.
Girls were all relocated to Hertford by 1778 and the last boys went to Horsham Sussex in 1902 where the Blue Coat School is located.
Saturday, 14 July 2007
The Children of Richard who came from Windsor
Whapshares from Windsor in Salisbury.
I have been looking at the Children of Richard and Elizabeth Wapshott. Martin Vincent , of course had it sorted but I think that he may have got the daughters muddled.
Henry b 1669 who married (i) Ann and (ii) Elizabeth. I have lost the ref. but seems OK.
Robert b 1673 married Sarah Sweetman is well documented in the IGI and Wiltshire records.
It is from these two families that the trees begin but I wonder about the daughters of Richard..
Martin Vincent's final version had a daughter Hannah Wapshed married to John Stevens in Sarum in 1698.
The IGI is clear that a Nanamiah Wapshed, born abt. 1677 married John on 6 Feb 1698 in Salisbury.
So what of Hannah? On 11 Apr 1666 a Surhannah Wapshat was christened at St Martins with Father Richard and Mother Elizabeth so she was the first child of the Wapshat/Wapshed's.
On 31 Jan 1696, the IGI records an Elizabeth Wapshat christened at St Martins whose mother was Hannah. So did Hannah remain unmarried but decided to have a daughter when she was 29 years old?
All of the children of Henry and Robert adopted the name of Wapshare.
I have been looking at the Children of Richard and Elizabeth Wapshott. Martin Vincent , of course had it sorted but I think that he may have got the daughters muddled.
Henry b 1669 who married (i) Ann and (ii) Elizabeth. I have lost the ref. but seems OK.
Robert b 1673 married Sarah Sweetman is well documented in the IGI and Wiltshire records.
It is from these two families that the trees begin but I wonder about the daughters of Richard..
Martin Vincent's final version had a daughter Hannah Wapshed married to John Stevens in Sarum in 1698.
The IGI is clear that a Nanamiah Wapshed, born abt. 1677 married John on 6 Feb 1698 in Salisbury.
So what of Hannah? On 11 Apr 1666 a Surhannah Wapshat was christened at St Martins with Father Richard and Mother Elizabeth so she was the first child of the Wapshat/Wapshed's.
On 31 Jan 1696, the IGI records an Elizabeth Wapshat christened at St Martins whose mother was Hannah. So did Hannah remain unmarried but decided to have a daughter when she was 29 years old?
All of the children of Henry and Robert adopted the name of Wapshare.
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