Odd facts about children of baker Charles George

Charles George Whapshare married Mary Ann (Polly) Barrett at Alderbury in 1873. This in itself was a little strange as Charles' mother Sarah Whapshare had married Mary's father Thomas Barrett. So Charles and Mary were step brother and sister, both were about 22 when married and Charles father had died before he was 11. They probably knew each other very well.

One of their children was Herbert who married Martha Mary Kate Box, a very formidable lady who die in 1969. However this again is a complex tale as Martha's mother Kate had married William Box for whom she had been housekeeper and they had been blessed with Martha. However Kate (nee Wingrove) had been married to James Whapshare who was the brother of Charles George and as the family were still in touch she introduced her daughter to one of Charles George's sons, Herbert. They were married in 1918.

Herbert and the youngest brother George ran the bakery with their De Dion Bouton.

Another brother Alfred had married Ethel Penrose in Cornwall when he was 21 and they had several children. The stange part is that none of his nieces now living have any knowledge of this and I wonder who did know. The marriage went very wrong and he seems to have left Ethel and gone to fight in ww1. When he returned to Salisbury he met Marjory Horsey, they married in 1924 and settled down in the New Forrest taking on the Three Lions pub in Stuckton.

The two eldest brothers, Charles and Edwin both sold insurance until Edwin became a carpenter in ww1. The only sister Amy died in 1956 when she was 73, she married Bert Lanham.

Wapshare tree on the net.

The tree has been rather of a struggle for me following the loss of my computer in September.

Now I am up and running with a new machine and new programs which have presented their own challenges. I also have a plan which involves a website and a pgv hosting site which I hope that I can run together. The website will be largely narrative but will link to the pgv site at

http://wapshare.pgvhosting.com

I have loaded the linked Martin Vincent material and now I hope to improve the information as time goes by. The website at www.wapshare.co.uk seems to be stuck on the index but for now click on index and it comes up. The photographs have gone but I can replace them in time.

The pgv site is not so easy to get around and I am still trying to figure it out. I hope to put in markers for geographical distributions to make it simpler to track your root.

In the meantime I am learning a little about General Sir Richard Wapshare who has been described as being a 'nice old boy but not very decisive'

KAE LEWIS

Several weeks ago I suffered a complete computer failure although I managed to save most of my files. This occurred at what was a busy time for me with our granddaughter being born in Winchester. Ellie May is our first grandchild this side of the ocean.

Now I am set up again with a new computer and new software which works most of the time and I hope to be able to make some progress over the long winter months.

During all of this I was contacted through the blog by Kae Lewis who is an historian from Tennesee. Kae has been creating an article on St Stephens Church in Ooty and the families of those buried there.

William Henry Wapshare is buried behind the church and in the porch is a magnificent plaque to his good works. On the other side of the porch is an Octerlony who may be father of Mary who married William's son Henry (or her uncle). Octerlony is an unusual name and Kae's research suggests that they (and their 18,000 acres) may have come down from Sir David Octerlony from Boston MA who defeated the Gurkha Kings. Other possibilities have been put forward.

Kae's website can be found at www.kaelewis.com

Education of William Henry and Henry Charles

William Henry went to Addiscombe College, Croydon, in 1832 ref no 675. His uncle Charles had provided the bond money.
Built 1848Addiscombe College (or Seminary, as it was originally known) was founded in 1809 by the Honourable East India Company to train officers, especially Engineers and Artillery, for their Indian regiments



In 1851 Henry was 12 and at school at Christ's Church, London.


After the dissolution of the monasteries by Henry VIII, lots of children were left on the streets. Christ's Hospital opened in Newgate in 1552 for the education of poor children. Much was destroyed by the fire of 1666 but was rebuilt with the help of Sir Christopher Wren. In became the Royal Mathematical School in 1673 and Samuel Pepys became vice president as well as being Secretary to the Navy. There was a great need to train ships navigators.


Girls were all relocated to Hertford by 1778 and the last boys went to Horsham Sussex in 1902 where the Blue Coat School is located.

The Children of Richard who came from Windsor

Whapshares from Windsor in Salisbury.

I have been looking at the Children of Richard and Elizabeth Wapshott. Martin Vincent , of course had it sorted but I think that he may have got the daughters muddled.
Henry b 1669 who married (i) Ann and (ii) Elizabeth. I have lost the ref. but seems OK.
Robert b 1673 married Sarah Sweetman is well documented in the IGI and Wiltshire records.
It is from these two families that the trees begin but I wonder about the daughters of Richard..

Martin Vincent's final version had a daughter Hannah Wapshed married to John Stevens in Sarum in 1698.
The IGI is clear that a Nanamiah Wapshed, born abt. 1677 married John on 6 Feb 1698 in Salisbury.

So what of Hannah? On 11 Apr 1666 a Surhannah Wapshat was christened at St Martins with Father Richard and Mother Elizabeth so she was the first child of the Wapshat/Wapshed's.
On 31 Jan 1696, the IGI records an Elizabeth Wapshat christened at St Martins whose mother was Hannah. So did Hannah remain unmarried but decided to have a daughter when she was 29 years old?

All of the children of Henry and Robert adopted the name of Wapshare.

Eastborne in 1891

In 1891 Emma who was widowed in 1864 was living at 16 Jevington Rd, Eastborne, Sussex. With her was her daughter Ethel Fisher 33 and her grandson Harry Fisher 6. There is no sign of Ethel's husband Thomas. Also in the house were a visitor and three servants.
In 1901 Emma still lived in Eastborne with Arthur. She was 81.

Also in Blatchington, Seaford,Eastborne in 1891 was Richard who may have been on a lengthy course perhaps. He was a Captain, I think in the 30th Lancers. Ada was there and also her sister, Florence Hicks. The two girls also were present, Audrey was 4 and Eileen was 9 months old having been born in St Helier, Jersey, CI. There was one servant who had also been born in Jersey and probably was looking after little Eileen.
In 1901 Ada was at Hemel Hempstead with Eileen and in December 1903 Richard and Ada went to Madeira on board the Walmer Castle.

Over in St Helier on the Channel Islands lived Ada's father, General CF Hicks. He was 65 and lived at 4 Elizabeth Place. He was living with his wife Ellen 33, born in Jersey and her unmarried sister, Kate O'flaherty 40, who was born in Ireland. Also there was a servant and a nurse, presumably for the General.